Thirty Minute Mentors Podcast Transcript: Interview with Terrell Davis

I recently interviewed Terrell Davis on my podcast, Thirty Minute Mentors. Here is a transcript of our interview:

Adam: Our guest today is one of the greatest running backs in NFL history. Terrell Davis is a two time Super Bowl champion, former NFL MVP, former Super Bowl MVP, and a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Terrell, thank you for joining us.

Terrell: Hey, my pleasure. How's it going?

Adam:  Well, so the most famous six round pick of all time is Tom Brady, but you were also a six rounder.

Terrell: Yeah, I'm the most famous six round.

Adam: I thought that was the easiest answer to the question, who's the most famous runner? It's me. You are probably the second most famous six rounder.

Terrell: There's some good six rounders I thought like Antonio Brown was a sixth round pick. Not many. But yeah, Tom Brady would be the one.  When you say six rounder, What comes to mind? It would be Tom Brady. I think he's the 197

Adam: Yeah, I saw you picked a couple spots. Right before 196 Yeah. 196. That's amazing to me, Terrell. You played college football at Long Beach State which doesn't even have a college football program anymore. And the only reason why you were able to get that opportunity was because you had an older brother that played there and was able to convince them to give you a scholarship. Can you share with us how you were able to go from a guy who no one wanted to an NFL legend?

Terrell: So, in high school, I was really just a fool. I actually wasn't even a running back. I played nose guard and full back in high school. And like you said, my brother was at Long Beach State and George Allen, the George Allen, Hall of Fame coach was taking over at Long Beach State, but it was going to be his first year there. And so yeah, my brother kind of put the bug in their ear like, “Hey, you might want to check out this kid from San Diego.” They came down to Lincoln High school enrollment. Remember if I didn't have many offers, and you know Long Beach was one of them. I think New Mexico State was the other offer and then Utah State and they weren't even offers, they would just say “Hey, come visit.” And nobody was even willing to give me a scholarship. But then Long Beach, they were like, “Hey, listen, if you come to Long Beach State, you work hard enough you can possibly earn a scholarship. So that's how I ended up at Long Beach and of course it was close enough to home from San Diego. It was close enough but far enough. So I went to Long Beach State. And just did what 18 year olds and 19 year olds do and, man, you’re just sitting there learning, trying to figure out where you fit in. All these older cats. They're much more polished and look like better players than me. And I just tried to do what I could do when I had an opportunity. But it wasn't many that first year I ended up redshirting the first year. It was really a good thing because it got me a chance to get real close to George Allen, because George Allen, being the head coach, but he's more of a defensive minded coach. So he would really be around the defense a lot. And as a redshirt person, I was on the scout team. And anybody who  knows about the scout team, the scout team is there to give the deepest, the best look they can get to prepare them for the game and George Allen put out a lot of emphasis, a lot of focus on the scout team. He wants that scout team to be really good. So when I was running the ball on the scout team, I kind of caught his eyes like, wait a minute. And so he saw the way I was running and he loved it, you know, because I was running like it was game day. And I wasn't given the defensive braking deepest, I like it much, but the coach who loved it, they would get upset with me because if they didn't tackle me or if I broke a long run, we'd have to redo the play. And of course, you know, guys practice, they're not trying to have 15 extra plays, they want to get their eight to 10 plays and then practice be over. But George Allen loved me so much. And he gave me a nickname. He called me secretary, and I became the coach's pet, when I injured myself because of the way I worked and I wasn't working hard because I was trying to impress them. I was just the way I kind of approached it, man. I was trying to just practice the way I felt at last year's practice. And again, I registered it that year. And then the next year when it was my turn to compete for, at least being in the game day roster to get some game time. Unfortunately, Georgia passed away at the end of my first year. That first year I was able to redshirt and we ended up going 6, 5. They adopted the Gatorade showering and he caught pneumonia and never recovered. He passed away. But I will say having George Ellen as my coach at the time was really good because I got a chance to see the way pros practice, the way the schedule that the pros work with special teams and you know, it's kind of a mentality but with the program because he put everybody in and these numbers were- remember we're picking numbers and we couldn't pick like single digits for running backs. We had a 20s and 30s or 40s. And so he made everybody wear whatever position you were in pro numbers. He was bringing that kind of pro style stuff to our facility, you know, our locker rooms or we had already had sands all over the place. So it was all new to me to see this locker. But George Allen was one of the first coaches that I felt was not a coach in terms of X's and O's. He knew all that, but he was like a teacher. And he was always trying to get the best out of you. And he was trying to teach you the whys of everything. And so I found that to be really refreshing and it was just really good. You know, and unfortunately, when I played under him for a year, and then we had Willie Brown come in, who was the defensive backs coach who was already there to go, or George Allen, and long we stayed we end up going to a nine I believe that year and I was a redshirt freshman and end up end up being a starter. I had a couple of injuries that year. I sprained my ankle on both my right and left. I only played the five games. And so my stay at Long Beach was not long. And then, at the end of my redshirt freshman year, the program got canceled. So I had to fight through a whole lot of adversity and uncertainty, just you know, going through that whole process. Fortunately in Georgia, who came you know, once we the program was done, we were able to kind of look for other schools as options and Georgia was one school that inquired about me which I still to this day don't understand how a school and the SEC comes out to the west coast. I was a kid on a team that really wasn't good. I mean, we don't have a lot of talented people there. We had some guys there with less academic issues who had talent, but I just found it was kind of weird for them to come all the way to the west coast. So that's what happened. I went to Georgia, and fortunately they liked what they saw on the short tape that I had. They offered me a scholarship to go to Georgia.

Adam: You're drafted by the Broncos. When you were drafted by the Broncos, you entered camp as the sixth string running back, which meant that you pretty much had very little chance of making the team. What was your mindset entering training camp and what advice do you have for listeners on how they could develop a winning mindset, no matter what kind of challenge they're facing?

Terrell: So going to Denver, at the time, I struggled at Georgia. I'm talking about that first, but I think it's important to know that when I was at Georgia, I was not the full Terrell and it was a number of things that I can think of that really didn't allow me to blossom there. And part of it was sort of the leadership there at the time that the coach was implementing. And he and I have since made up I mean, we talk a lot now, but back then he and I wouldn't get along at all. And his leadership style was not one that allowed me to thrive. It was more of a dictatorship. It wasn't a collaborative effort where a coach and a player are talking about, you know, things and how do I get the best out of this player? And that just wasn't there. And so I felt like I wasn't being the full me, you know? I wasn't developed in a way where I thought I could help the team out. And I was dealing with a bunch of injuries at Georgia, it was just a lot that went on. So I kind of marked my stay at Georgia as a failure. But during that time, I think from a mental standpoint, it allowed me to go through some mental suffering, I guess. And I had plenty of time to think about my career there. Think about things that I could be doing better and just kind of look at it from, you know, did I get that I give them my all? Am I proud of where I am? And really, I just had a moment. I have to talk about that moment. And there was a moment where it was my senior year and I had tore my ACL, the first game or second game of the year, and I missed a bunch of games. I was close to coming back and it was a matter of a week or two before I came back, and I happened to be going to a game. And at the time, the coaches didn't like the players being heard on the sidelines. So I was sitting up in the stands watching my book, my Georgia Bulldogs play Vanderbilt, and I'm sitting way up in the nosebleed and I'm watching the game. I don't know why I started thinking about this, but I started to think that I only have three, you know, four more games if I'm lucky. And that's the rest of my life, because I wasn't playing well. There was no talk about me going to the NFL. You know, we weren't winning games. I was having, you know, missed a ton of games that season so the NFL wasn't even on my mind. And as I'm watching the game, I can ask myself questions like what did you do when you were healthy? Did you, number one, did you enjoy the game? And the answer was no. Well, when I was out there I was giving the game all I had. That was my mentality; to show up early, leave late, you know, was I giving it all my all. I went to the checklist in my brain and I kind of saw things from a different perspective, just because I'm watching people play it. And I'm looking at the game- people don't see whether you're hurt or whatever, they don't know that. So when you're on that field, there's a certain standard that people expect you to play up to. And I don't feel like I was doing that. And it was something that's like, it was like an “A-ha!” moment. That wake up call. And I was like, wow, I think part of it was a fear that I only have four more games at most. If I come back this week, I've got four games left. So I made a mental shift saying that when I come back, that I just gotta go for it. I can't hold back no more. I can't worry about what other people say about me. I got it. We'll go back to playing a game like I did when I was a kid. I had fun playing. I wasn't having fun in Georgia. It just wasn't and so fortunately I came back that week. And when I came back it wasn't as starting running back. They put me at fullback. So now I'm blocking for Hines Ward, probably carrying about two or three times a day, but I'm having the best time. I've had a Georgia non blocking. I don't care if I get credit, I'm just playing football and I'm having fun like that kid did in San Diego when he was playing Pop Warner. And it felt really good to me. And I did that for two weeks. Then we had two more games left. I got the attention of my position coach and he pulls me aside at the practice one day and he's like, “Hey, man, we've been watching the last couple of weeks. I've really been impressed with your effort and what you've been doing out here. So now we're gonna make you start right running back and we're playing Auburn.” Auburn’s undefeated, awesome, a 20 game winning streak or something like that. So they made me start running back that game. It was probably one of the best games I had in my career because  of Auburn. We didn't win it, we tied it. And we played Georgia Tech the next week, and I had another phenomenal game. And my goal was just to be able to walk off the field, my last game in the Georgia uniform and I just say to myself that, you know, “Hey, man, I gave it all I had, and I have no regrets.” That was it. That was my mindset. Because I couldn't control anything else other than that. But apparently with those last couple of games that kind of caught the eye of some NFL scouts and, you know, Denver, they kind of caught wind of that. I believe that was one reason Denver took a chance on me and drafted me in six rounds.

Adam: That's amazing, by the way, and I think that there's so much wisdom to unpack for listeners in terms of always giving your best effort. Always think positive. No matter what the circumstances are. You never know where your next opportunity is going to come from, be ready for it. You don't know who's gonna be watching you, when that moment arrives. So, be ready to perform. There is a lot there that no matter what you're doing; you could be a football player, you could be a baseball player, basketball player, you could be in any industry, in any profession. And I think that everything you said is applicable.

Tarrell: Absolutely. You hit the nail on the head because it's funny because today or whenever I'm driving and I get a phone call. I've gotten so many people call me who I've never even met, but they've worked in the same building as me like at the NFL Network. And they've called me and said, “Hey, you know, I used to work with you, but you don't know this because we know we never met but I like what I saw. Like, you know what I saw for you as a person. And one more time you're talking to this guy and I just love what you told that person so we want to bring you up here. I want to hire you to do this.” And I was like, it's kind of crazy. Like you talked about that you're always at your best, and you're always giving your best, then that's the only thing any of us can ask for. I can't guarantee results to anybody. But what you can do, and I think we all can control, is our effort. And effort is going to open doors and it is going to make sure that when the moment is right, because we never know when that important moment is up a game or in life, whatever we're doing, you never know you can't pick and choose but that moment it's going to happen. But if you're ready, if you're constantly ready for it, then when a moment is big, then you will show up.

Adam: I want to ask you about a game that, even with everything you said, had to be an unbelievable moment for you; Super Bowl XXXII. One of the all time classic games in NFL history, la versus far la finally wins his first Super Bowl. You score three touchdowns and are named Super Bowl MVP. You also had a debilitating migraine. I'm actually a migraine sufferer myself and when I get migraines, I'm totally out of commission. Can you describe the Super Bowl experience to listeners? Just the pressure, the magnitude of the game, what it means, and your sharpest memories and best lessons from Super Bowl XXXII.

Terrell: Oh, there’s a lot of those. Yeah, there's certainly pressure. It’s not like in certain sports where you have a series, you know, five game series, seven game series where you can make some mistakes and then you can say, “All right, you know, we gave them game one. Let's come back to game two.” It's one game. And you just hope that again that you prepare for it. And you're mentally not putting that pressure on yourself. Denver had lost Super Bowls. We were big time, underdogs playing a really good team. And the Green Bay Packers, there was a lot that you can look around and say, Wow, like this is big, but the mental part of planning and being on that level; to me, that's where the game was won. It's won with the mindset. It's how you think, you know? And I never allowed the thought in my brain to think anything other than we're going to win this game. And I would visualize it. I would think about the game. I would go through a process where I can see scenarios of the game plan out in my mind before the game is even played. And always felt most of the time and kind of winning this game before the games even play. The problem is people start thinking about the negatives; they think about what happens if we lose. And to me, the champion doesn't think like that. A champion and a winner is not thinking about the what if we lose. A champion is thinking about when we're going to win this game. I don't care what the score is. I'm constantly thinking about positives. We're going to win this game, we're down by 14 points. I'm only thinking about how great it's gonna look when the news broadcasts a comeback, you know, I'm not thinking about, oh, we're going to lose this game. So going into that week, we felt confident. I felt confident. And yeah, people could say it was pressure but to be honest with you, I didn't feel it, because I never allow myself to get to a point where I'm feeling pressure. Now. I will tell you there are moments that were challenging. I was challenged in the first actual pregame pregame. I had one moment where I allowed myself to think about the moment and I almost passed out. I was hyperventilating because you think about the moment, you see the cameras, you see all the credentials, you see the signs, and then your mind tells you and you finally realize where you are. And you're like, oh, wow. And then you gotta immediately have, you know, you got the two people, you got them two consciousnesses and they fight each other. And you gotta have the one who says, all right, God, you know- I talk to myself a lot, too. My wife always gets mad because she tells me “Be quiet,” but I need my pep talk. That's why I need him. I need him talking to him. So he talks to me and he tells me to calm down. He's my inner coach and, and I just go through this thing where we just talked through it and we just remind ourselves of what's familiar. You know, the feeling of zoning 100 yards isn't- It's the same dimensions as a regular field, you know, they have 11 people on defense. And then you remind yourself, you are here for a reason, man you you guys deserve this. You, you prepared for this. And you have to edify yourself, you have to remind yourself how great you are, and how there's a bit of a swag that you have to carry. Now you're the best guy- like you're the best out there. I had to create this kind of alter ego guy on the field. Anybody who knows me knows that I do the Mile High salute. And part of that was the mindset of a soldier. So I tried to embody the mindset of a soldier when I'm playing football. And that dude, he's a bad man. He's a bad man. And that's that guy. That's some of us. We have to embody somebody that we admire, for the qualities that they have, you know? For my soldiers mental standpoint, I mean, the mentality you have to have to be a soldier. That's what I felt I needed to have to be a big time running back. And I embody that. And I really took on that character. And that's why I did my salute, out of respect to the military as well, but it was more so that I want to emulate that. That mentality and mindset, as an approach to football.

Adam: I love that. It's one thing to get to the top and it's another thing to stay at the top. We often see teams take a step back after winning a championship, how were you and your teammates able to continue to compete at that same level for another year and win another Super Bowl? And what advice do you have for leaders on how to keep their employees and their teams motivated after reaching significant levels of success?

Terrell: Yeah, it's difficult because human nature we get full, you know, we get full estimates. We got content and we stopped doing things that we used to, to go hunt and eat. And it's just nature. So you definitely have to have a couple of people who are hungry who understand it. And those have to be your leaders. Those have to be the people that lead always say, you know, we have people who were leaders by inspiration, but we had leaders by perspiration. But we have people like me. If you're working, we want people to watch you and just feel like, man, that's contagious. Like, I gotta follow that dude. And we had those. We had myself, Shannon Sharpe, John Elway. All of our leaders were guys who set the tone for our team, our locker room, our coach, Mike Shanahan. And so we held the standard; our standard was, even at practice, we were not going to practice and have sloppy practices. We just couldn't. We weren't going to make it a habit, the way we practice, the way we went about doing everything. So we held each other accountable. If I went out there and had a bad practice, I was held accountable for that bad practice. We cared about each other. We just had a really good locker room. That was a gauge. You know, we had people who would love to be at work, guys who were committed to each other. I felt bad. And this is when, you know- you got a really good team, or with a football team or a team in corporate America is when something happens and you feel bad for your teammates, because you're gonna work harder to make sure you don't disappoint them. We had that bond. We had that. I felt bad if I had a bad game, and I was letting them down. That's when you know you got a bomb team. And we were able to take it. We were able to see things in terms of not looking too far ahead. We were really good at focusing on what's in front of us. You know, we got to play this game. We had just won a Super Bowl. So we knew that people were gonna look at us differently. Every game we played in 1998 felt like it was a playoff game. Not necessarily to us but we were getting teams who we felt like they were a given. And normally, you know, we play a team, we started where I'm down third quarter, fourth, where we could see him quitting. Well, that wasn't the case in 1998. These teams were playing us to the fourth quarter, later in the game and they were wearing us out. And so we were having to go through a season like that when we started our season 13 you know? So that was good. And then we had a coach that was really good. You talk about incentive, that motivation, really good at making football fun, like we'd have these little incentive packages in our locker room where, you know,  if you were to practice it, and I don't drop a ball, you know, all right, you might get a little incentive package there, if somebody, one of our teammates did well. Some kind of incentive package, a financial incentive package or some other kind of reward. Yeah multiple things like sometimes we'd like TVs, no layout so you can get like radios, TVs or get, you know golf clubs. You know, we had all this stuff that we would get. Sometimes it would be you know, money. 500 bucks here, thousand dollars there. And it wasn't big things. It was kind of weird because like, you got cats making millions of dollars, right? And you're paid to play. But if you throw an extra little bone to somebody, they'll fight like crazy to go home. It just makes it fun. You just create these things aside there. Mike would also do things, like we'd have scheduled practices. And so our minds said, we got pads on, we're gonna go practice. We walked out the practice and Mike was like, “What are you guys going with pads?” Oh, man and we had pads on. And so things like that, it endears you to your leader. You're like, man, this dude. He understands it. I love Mike Shanahan. I think he was one of my best coaches and the admiration I have for him because he was open to dialogue. It was all about a collaborative effort. If he did something he brought the leaders in and asked this question about, “Hey, what do you guys think about this? And I'm thinking about, you know, maybe having padded practice on Thursday, just a few things. What do you guys think?” And we would be like, “You know what, Mike? Yeah, I think that's good. You know, our team needs it.” We, of course, would be like “No pads on, but I think we needed those pads because last week, we weren't tackling well.” And so you throw pads on, and he knew what buttons to push all the time. He knew his newest players. So there was a personal element to it. And people, when you talk to players, and you know about their family, you care about them, that's huge. That's huge. So there's so much that I went through with them and Denver. And like I always tell somebody with Shanahan, oh my god do a TD run through a brick wall. And you know what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna run through that brick wall for him because he was a leader that I respected. There was honesty there. There was a person who was trying to do everything that I saw him doing. I was always trying to improve. I was trying to get you to think about why he's asking you to do things, and it was always for the betterment of the team. He never took a hard line. There was no accident. He won 46 games in a three year span, and two championships. And I think we have a reference to the Patriots, tied it. No other team had 146 games in a three year span. And then we have talent. Yes, we did. But we also had to get rid of some talent and people who just didn't fit what we want to do. And that is if you were on if you were selfish. If you only cared about numbers, then you really weren't going to be our team. offense because we weren't about that it wasn't about numbers it wasn't about Shannon getting his thousand yards awry getting his hundred catches or me rushing for you know 2000 yards or whatever it is. I didn't care. I didn't care. All I cared about was this team’s plan for each other and then ultimately, yeah, we want to win. I'm gonna win. I'd like to win and so whatever I gotta do to win I'm gonna do and we were able to get people to buy into that and Mike was able to get people to buy into his vision and it just works, you know? His philosophy is one thing that- there's so many things but where I learned this from, the mentality, was really from Shanahan because I never thought about myself as a running back, I only thought about do you want to be good? Yes, but, I think with him, and with my coach Bobby Turner, they were able to open up my mind to being great, you know, and that was something you know when, you know, I was confident, but I wasn't cocky. But I'd never had that mindset of thinking, I want to be great at this. And they were able to unlock that. They were able to tell me man, you can be better than what you are right now. You could be one of the greats. And when someone tells you that they have confidence in you, and you see that, and then you start to see it happen. And now you get affirmation with what somebody's telling you. It just works. And my thing was he never, he doesn't just want to beat people. He wants to embarrass them. And I swear to God, I say that to this day, like that is the best thing now I just don't want to beat you, but I want to embarrass you. You know, that's just the mentality that I've kind of adopted. And I tell my kids that you don't want to just beat people or even embarrass them, that you want them to question why they're even playing this game. That's how much. That's what you got to believe.

Adam: The sign of a true competitor. Your career was cut short by injuries and as a star athlete fighting ACL injuries is not only a physical battle, but really a war on your mental health. What are the best lessons you learn from that fight and what can you really share with listeners that you were able to take away from that experience?

Terrell: That's the tough one. Yeah. Because from a mental standpoint, I feel like I'm stronger than just about anybody. And I thought after I tore my ACL, I was sure that I was going to bounce back stronger than ever. And when you're having this tug of war for three years of the mind saying I can do it, but the body's not responding- that was the most difficult thing for me to go through for three years. You know, I got back to a point where I was decent. I wasn't super healthy, but I was healthy enough. And then it just, I kept having setbacks swell in the air, I got to have surgery there, and so you're constantly grinding and your mind is strong and your body is worth it. But once they're there, they're not in alignment. And then you start to really wear yourself down and you're at the facility before anybody, you know, you're showing up at five o'clock in the morning. You're doing rehab, and you're trying to practice but you're just a shell of yourself. You don't have an explosion. These things just aren't firing, right. And you're just like, wow, like, so that's it. That took a toll on my mind. And in my last year, I knew. I knew that it was it for me. I just mentally couldn't take it anymore. And just like, you know, with like Andrew Luck, man, like you go through this thing- injuries are the one thing that ware an athlete down. It's just because you don't ever see your body bounce back the way you can get the mind to. The mind can be strong but the body ain't listening. It is what it is. So, you know, the lesson there is lessons, but I always say still, that your greatest asset is your mind and how you think, how you see things. I'm always going to see things in a way that is always positive in my eyes. Whether we're going through this pandemic, or whatever we're doing, I just tend to look at things differently. And I'm saying people might look at and say yes, 60% chance of rain I'm focused on a 40% chance that it ain't, all right.? And I'm just looking at things just totally different. But that takes experience, that takes you putting yourself in those situations enough to think like that. I also hired me a guy named Bob yoga Danny, he was my meditation guru. So he would help me with my mental game and focusing on on things, you know, game situations, control, my nerves, all that stuff. So it's just practice. It's really just putting yourself in these situations as much as you can and really just allowing your mind to think about the positive stuff.

Adam: I totally get that. I've got one last question for you and I want to ask you about mentorship. The Broncos current running back has drawn a lot of comparisons to you. Phillip Lindsay, who wears your old number 30, was the first undrafted offensive rookie to ever make the Pro Bowl. And when Phillip Lindsay was breaking into the NFL, I read an article about your relationship with him and the impact that you were having on him then as a mentor. Can you describe your relationship with Philip and what goes into being an effective mentor?

Terrell: Yeah, well Philip grew up in Denver and was watching me when he was growing up. And so I guess what he saw he liked you know? He saw, God they're playing hard and kind of respected what I was doing. But then I didn't realize that he had actually bought a book that I had, I guess my autobiography that he ended up getting, but he would use that book and highlight certain paragraphs and certain quotes, he would circle. And he showed it to me. And to know that that's where he goes, when he's struggling with certain things, he'll go back to the book and just kind of read my story. That was that was pretty cool. It was powerful. It really was. And t I never thought of myself as being a mentor or role model. But I guess we all are. And by way of modeling, you know, people are gonna watch you and they want to model what you do if you're doing something that they respect. So in that light it's cool and I welcome that. So that was cool to see. So with him now we talk. Yeah, we definitely talk and, you know, we talk on the phone or text them and stuff and I try not to be a guy that calls and just gives you like this micromanagement type, hey, you should be doing that, but you know, I definitely talk and we will talk about everything. But his story coming from an undrafted kind of resembles mine and a reason why I allowed him to work with 30, or really gave my blessing. I know he could have worn it, but he wanted to get my blessing. So I blessed him. So yeah, go for it was what I said. I thought he really represented what number 30 was about. And it was about the underdog. It's about the person who defied the odds, who was just a, you know, a guy that wasn't supposed to be in the league, but took advantage of it. And he represents that; what he's doing, he's got the mentality right now that he is still feeling like people don't respect him. And I said, that's good. You gotta keep that. Don't ever lose that. Because the minute people start patting you on the back and telling you how great you are, then sometimes we lose that edge because we start to believe that and then we don't work as hard. And he's still working hard to prove that he is that. He's still being disrespected. Just like Tom Brady, Tom Brady's got a chip on the shoulder. And that's great. And then you know, I had that same thing. So he's gonna be fine and he's still doing his thing and he's gonna be when it's all said and done. I envision me showing up at Broncos stadium and handing Philip Lindsay the ball off as the Broncos leading rusher. So how cool would that be, right to pass on the torch to to fill up. And then one day, yeah, I'd love to see him pass that number to somebody coming in that kind of took that same path.

Adam: That's awesome. That's what mentorship is all about. Terrell, thank you so much. This was a pleasure. I really enjoyed it.

Terrell: Hey, my pleasure.